{"id":5142,"date":"2024-04-06T20:41:16","date_gmt":"2024-04-06T20:41:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mshmsdin.com\/en\/?p=5142"},"modified":"2024-11-24T12:31:07","modified_gmt":"2024-11-24T12:31:07","slug":"%d9%86%d9%82%d8%b6-%d8%a3%d8%af%d9%84%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a3%d8%b4%d8%b9%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a9-%d8%b9%d9%84%d9%89-%d8%b5%d8%ad%d8%a9-%d8%af%d9%8a%d9%86%d9%87%d9%85","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mshmsdin.com\/en\/5142","title":{"rendered":"Refutation of Ash&#8217;ari Proofs for the Validity of Their Beliefs"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"flex max-w-full flex-col flex-grow\">\n<div class=\"min-h-8 text-message flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 whitespace-normal break-words [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-5\" dir=\"auto\" data-message-author-role=\"assistant\" data-message-id=\"d7315ee1-7408-45f4-8836-feee4f6aa952\" data-message-model-slug=\"gpt-4o\">\n<div class=\"flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden first:pt-[3px]\">\n<div class=\"markdown prose w-full break-words dark:prose-invert light\">\n<p>The Proofs of the Validity of Ash&#8217;ari Creed:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>Al-Ash\u2018ari as an Imam<\/strong> Ash\u2018aris argue that their belief is valid because the founder of their school, Abu al-Hasan al-Ash\u2018ari, is a great Imam.<br \/>\n<strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nWhen did he become an Imam? He lived as a Mu\u2018tazilite for forty years before repenting in 300 AH. When did he study and master the books of the Salaf to surpass his contemporaries and become an undisputed Imam?<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>After his repentance, what books did he study, and under whom did he qualify in the Islamic sciences?<\/li>\n<li>Were the Ahl al-Sunnah without an Imam, waiting for this Mu\u2018tazilite to repent to make him their leader?<br \/>\nIbn al-Mubarrad said, &#8220;He admitted to being a Mu\u2018tazilite and a preacher of it. SubhanAllah! Before his repentance, did Muslims have no Imams to follow until they made a repented innovator their Imam? It\u2019s as if people perished entirely until this innovator repented and became their leader, prioritizing a theologian over the Imams of Hadith during an era rich with scholars. What kind of absurdity is this?&#8221;<br \/>\nIbn Qudamah said, &#8220;It is astonishing that their Imam, who founded this heresy, was a man not known for piety, righteousness, or expertise in any Shari\u2018ah sciences. He was only known for the condemned knowledge of kalam. They admit he spent forty years in Mu\u2018tazilism before showing repentance. After his repentance, he exhibited nothing but this innovation. How could they imagine that Allah would only grant knowledge of the truth to His enemy, making guidance exclusive to someone with no share in Islamic sciences or religion?&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Al-Ash\u2018ari Did Not Oppose the Salaf<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong> Provide us with statements from the Salaf that align with his beliefs.<br \/>\nEven ignoring his retractions on beliefs ascribed to later Ash\u2018arites (like al-Juwayni and al-Razi), let\u2019s examine the claims regarding core Ash\u2018arite beliefs:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Who among the Salaf preceded him in denying that Allah is above His Throne?<\/li>\n<li>Who among the Salaf claimed that verses mentioning Allah\u2019s face and hands imply anthropomorphism?<\/li>\n<li>Who among the Salaf denied that Allah\u2019s speech consists of letters or that He has a voice?<br \/>\nThese arguments are invalid, and I have compiled a series titled &#8220;The Chains of Ash\u2018arites&#8221; exposing their misattributions to the Salaf.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: The Prophet \ufdfa Praised the Ash\u2018aris<\/strong><br \/>\nAsh\u2018aris quote the Prophet\u2019s \ufdfa statement, \u201cThey are from me, and I am from them,\u201d as praise for their sect.<br \/>\n<strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nThis is a fabrication. The Prophet \ufdfa said, &#8220;The Ash\u2018arites, when they run out of provisions during war or food for their families in Madinah, collect what they have in one cloth and divide it equally among themselves. They are from me, and I am from them.&#8221;<br \/>\nThis refers to a Yemeni tribe, not a sect that emerged to distort the Prophet\u2019s teachings three centuries after his death.<br \/>\nIf Ash\u2018aris interpret praise for the tribe as an endorsement of their Imam\u2019s innovations, consider that Ahl al-Bayt have far greater praise in Islam. By their logic, as someone from Ahl al-Bayt, I would have a stronger claim to truth than Abu al-Hasan al-Ash\u2018ari.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Ash\u2018ari Beliefs are Valid Because of Their Numbers<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nAre you counting the common folk who identify as Muslims or scholars specifically?<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>If it\u2019s the common folk, they do not understand Ash\u2018ari theology, such as belief in speech without letters and sound, or the negation of Allah being above His Throne. Their creed doesn\u2019t resonate with the masses.<\/li>\n<li>If it\u2019s scholars, most of them are mere imitators. Their knowledge is borrowed from Ahl al-Sunnah, inflating their works with quotes from Sunni scholars.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As a challenge, take al-Khatib al-Baghdadi\u2019s <em>Tareekh Baghdad,<\/em> which documents 7,783 scholars up to the 5th century. Prove that even 5% of them were Ash\u2018ari. That would require finding just 38 Ash\u2018ari scholars out of 7,783. If you cannot meet this challenge, it demonstrates that Ash\u2018arite beliefs were not the creed of the majority of scholars during the first five centuries of Islam.<\/p>\n<p>As Ibn Qudamah said, &#8220;It is astonishing that the people of innovation consider their wealth, numbers, and prominence as proof of their correctness while using the small numbers and estrangement of Ahl al-Sunnah as evidence against them. Yet, the Prophet \ufdfa described the people of truth in the last days as being few and estranged while the people of falsehood would dominate.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Sunni Scholars Rely on Ash\u2018ari Books<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nReality shows the opposite. Ash\u2018aris have borrowed extensively from the works of Ahl al-Sunnah. Examples will be detailed separately.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Notable Figures Like Al-Nawawi and Ibn Hajar Were Ash\u2018aris<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nThese figures excelled in summarizing books and compiling Hadith. Their contributions stem from quoting Sunni scholars, not their Ash\u2018arite beliefs. If they focused solely on Ash\u2018arite theology, they would be as obscure as other Ash\u2018arite theologians like al-Amidi and al-Luqani.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Ash\u2018arite Chains of Transmission Validate Their Creed<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nChains of transmission (isnads) for books do not validate creed. The scholars themselves distinguish between the isnad of the content and the chain connecting readers to a book. The latter is irrelevant to the content\u2019s correctness.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Al-Tahawi\u2019s Creed Contains Ash\u2018arite Phrases<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nWhile some phrases like &#8220;beyond limits and boundaries&#8221; appear in al-Tahawi\u2019s creed, this does not align with Ash\u2018arite theology, as al-Tahawi affirms Allah\u2019s transcendence and His being above creation.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: The Salaf Made Interpretative Concessions (Tafwid)<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nInterpretations by some Salaf on specific terms do not equate to Ash\u2018arite theological methodology, which negates attributes based on philosophical constructs.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Sultan Muhammad al-Fatih Was a Maturidi<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nThis assertion lacks evidence. Even if true, the Prophet \ufdfa\u2019s praise in the Hadith about the conqueror of Constantinople relates to his leadership, not his personal theology.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Accusation: Salafis Worship a Youth<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nThe narration about seeing Allah as a youth is weak. Even if authentic, scholars, including Ash\u2018arites like al-Nawawi, agree that dreams do not reflect Allah\u2019s reality.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: Salafis Agree with Jews<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nConcordance with some Jewish texts on theological matters is coincidental. Islam derives its beliefs from the Qur&#8217;an and Sunnah, not from Jewish traditions.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Claim: \u201cThere is nothing like Him\u201d Negates Attributes<\/strong> <strong>Response:<\/strong><br \/>\nAsh\u2018arites claim that affirming any attribute leads to resemblance (tashbih). This argument is fallacious, as it conflates shared terminologies with shared realities.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>These responses aim to dismantle Ash\u2018arite claims, demonstrating their divergence from the methodology of the Salaf and the essence of Islamic creed.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Proofs of the Validity of Ash&#8217;ari Creed: Al-Ash\u2018ari as an Imam Ash\u2018aris argue that their belief is valid because the founder of their school, Abu al-Hasan al-Ash\u2018ari, is a great Imam. Response: When did he become an Imam? He lived as a Mu\u2018tazilite for forty years before repenting in 300 AH. 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